42nd Skeptics Circle

Welcome to the 42nd meeting of the skeptics circle. Many of you have wondered where I have been over the past months and what has exactly been going on down in the lowest part of the world. Well my excuse is that, uhhhh, hmmmm...Ah yes, we've been invaded by the undead [of course, why didn't I think of this before]. Oh yes, they are everywhere down here I assure you and we're knee deep in them. Billions of them. Here is an example picture:



See what I mean? Absolutely crawling with the undead [they are there I assure you, they are just camera shy]. Can't cross the street without having to dodge numerous zombies all after your brains. What's worse is they are all into various forms of pseudoscience, woo and quackery. Perhaps it might all be the result of dumping too much nuclear waste into the rivers and I assure you, we'll be returning to the subject of nuclear waste later in the circle. Everything ultimately is blamed on nuclear waste eventually anyway. First it's poisoning the water, then ruining the air quality, then making people sick and eventually raising the living dead. You know how it goes.

So it's a good thing you've all turned up so we can try and set them straight with some good old fashioned skepticism to the head. I've personally always liked the sledgehammer of science myself, but the lawn mower of anti-woo has its own appeal [even if it's very messy] and there is always the shotgun of reason. Whatever your weapon of choice, there are many ways of dispatching crazy pseudoscientific zombies, but the problem with the living dead and I'm sure you can appreciate the many problems we are facing, is that they keep coming back regardless. Reminds me of arguing with creationists, no matter how many times you dispatch their arguments there are always more of them and the old ones come back anyway [tis quite the problem with the unliving dead, you can't kill them you see, because they are already dead. Haha, see the dilemma?].

Currently the creationists have been shacking up with a really good friend of theirs: the dreaded Hitler zombie. While not hanging out in my pool (making it all mucky) and shouting incomprehensible things at people he doesn't like, the Hitler zombie often enjoys eating the brains of people making ridiculous comparisons between evolution, himself, NAZIdom and various other aspects of the third Reich. Thankfully, Scientia natura tackles some of the ridiculous arguments creationists make on this topic in evolution, Darwin and Hitler. When they aren't trying to compare evolution with Hitler, creationists resort to other ridiculous arguments instead as Tara Smith from Aetiology covers in Influenza viruses = evidence for design. Those whacky ID creationists, what won't they claim? Finally, the Pandas Thumb has a lovely series covering the latest collection of ridiculous claims in Johnathan Wells' new book. I don't recommend buying the book and instead just reading the rebuttal. Your sanity will thank me for it later. If you ask me, I'd rather face the zombies than deal with creationists nonsense.

Staying on the science front in this circle, Jonswift has another piece of wonderful satire covering how science is undead-errr how science is dead. Haha. *Ahem*. Sorry about that, couldn't resist a little zombie themed humour there. Carrying on, Divided we Stand, United we Fall takes on some of the bizarre claims that Anne Coulter has made about global warming researchers (among other thing). Personally, I keep a copy of her book around with me at all times as zombies won't attack you when they see it. Seems to fool them into thinking you're one of them, which is very handy for popping down to the dairy for a few moments without harassment.

Speaking of taking creationists to task, the Pooflinger writes about the stupidity inherent in having to consider 'both sides' in back of the book. Rockstars' ramblings also comments on the fallacy of using 'both sides' to justify anti-evolution nonsense. Finally, speaking of math, the Bad Astronomer also has a public service announcement, reminding us in the skeptical community that it's always healthy to correct your own mistakes. Especially when they are mathematical.

Moving along from the creationists, remember earlier on how I mentioned that Nuclear Waste? Well, it turns out there is a great solution for that and it's even sponsored by a celebrity! Yes, I'm talking about using Kabbalah Water to clean up nuclear waste and Madonna apparently really likes the idea. Thankfully, some of our contributors have decided to wham some sense into this undead beast, with Skeptico commenting that Madonna solves nuclear waste problem. If that wasn't enough, Humbugonline also tackles the issue in Mad Madonna the Comedian. I wonder if that water works on zombies- or was it holy water that was supposed to be effective against the undead?

The subject of this circle now turns onto the ever fun topic area of medical woo, pseudoscience and just plain crazy. Firstly, we'll begin with the Beaver examiner noting that South Africa donates $100-million towards garlic research. This should show those normal 'HIV priests' that clovology should be taken seriously as garlic research is seriously important for numerous reasons. Take it from me, when you're knee deep in zombies then come the vampires. What's good on vampires? That's right, Vampires. South Africa will be making a good investment in anti-vampire technology for the future. Speaking of Garlic, scientia natura also recognise how powerful it can be in a quack healers deception.

Orac from Respectful Insolence brings us some more skeptical blogging to do with medical woo in two cases, firstly the pause that refreshes and heals. I always wondered why people told me yellow snow was bad for you. He also brings us a look at Abraham Cherrix, a child whose parents are attempting to avoid conventional treatments so they can use nutty altie ones in starchild Abraham Cherrix: It's over. Unfortunately, when it comes to mistakes that occur with normal conventional treatments and alties, things never work out as Bronze Dog explains.

Carrying onto our final skeptical topics for tonight, a guest post by Mum to Laura on Autism Street wonders what people would think of a "blindness spectrum". EoR, over at the second sight wonders at the tactics some crazies will go to try and sell their books to the gullible in Jesus is real - Oh, and buy my book! PS: You should buy my upcoming book as well: How to defend yourself from a zombie attack with nothing but a spoon, a wire and some table salt. Speaking of somewhat strange things people propose, Socratic Gadfly covers the use of regaining your 'inner child' to treat abuse cases in some thoughts on child abuse recovery counseling, AA, PTSD and related matters. Finally, the Saga of Runolf wonders just what happened to animal planet in the great animal planet disappointment.

Also, before we all leave satisfied in a skeptical driven zombie genocide well done, let us all bear tribute to Douglas Adams who has long since ceased to be with us. Nothing with the number '42' in it can go without at least mentioning him. He was a really great writer and he will always be missed. So that's all for the circle this week and most importantly, thanks to all those who submitted articles. I do hope you've enjoyed this entertaining romp around skeptical thinking and be prepared for the next circle, which will be hosted by Janet D. Stemwedel at Adventures in Ethics and Science. Anyway, it's time for me to go and- wait, what's that sound at the door? Moaning? Hungry moaning? Scratching? Cracking... Oh no...they've breached the defences! There are hundreds of them, they're in the room and oh dear Go[.sd.assd.zhjai

[Disclaimer: Yes, somewhere along the line I have gone completely and utterly mad. MUAHAHHAHAHAHAHA]

A very confused skeptics circle

Oh Skeptico, how much fun it must be to have someone first smurf you and then make a blog with a similar name as well! Confused? Well so was I, but all the answers are in this weeks skeptics circle hosted by our good pal Skeptico and his...uhhh pet smurf.

As for me, things will be starting to change shortly although it will be after the weekend or so. I'm going away for a weekend to help move stuff around in a relatives house so I probably won't be available. After that, it's about time to move things along with my new blog I think :D

Carnival of the wee animacules

The latest edition of all things small and microbial has been posted at Aetiology. The carnival seems to be going into a monthly format now from it's previous bi-weekly one, which indicates that we need a few more regular hosts and those willing to submit entries. Make sure you let Tara (from Aetiology of course ;)) know if you want to submit something to the carnival or host a future edition.

Where am I?

As a couple of commenters have wondered where I've gone I'll give everyone a quick update as to what has happened. Basically, I'm making a new site and I've basically busy doing that at the moment. Stimulated by Ocellated who suggested going to a .com and going to word-press (which I've concluded I rather like), I've started to design and move most of the stuff on this blog to a new one. It's not done yet, partly because I suck at web-design and am more of less doing things by a random 'trial and error' process and I've had a bit of drama. For example having one of my teeth removed recently (long story) and been busy organising various other real life dramas (real life drama is the best kind I've found). So that's been a bit of distraction from my goal of making a much improved site that is a little 'my own' as opposed to 'generic template' style here.

Until then, I've been a little active on another blog I'm a co-contributor on, namely Limed for the Truth, which is a blog set up by members of the Penny Arcade community and has a wide array of different posts and topics. I recently re-wrote and updated an earlier piece I did on this blog discussing antibiotics over there if you're into that sort of thing. As for the exact future of this blog, it's probably going to be inactive shortly and this will probably be one of the last updates here. Once I've got my new blog up and functional I'll obviously be posting a link. Until then there won't be a lot of activity here except for the odd random post. I'll be posting more frequently (on similar topics) over on Limed for the Truth though. Including the importance of keeping your dental microbes in check, especially when you crack a tooth and don't go to your dentist until it's too late....

For reading in the mean-time, I would suggest having a look at the stony skeptics circle over at The Second Sight, which was posted a wee while ago (I've been on the net a bit sporadically as of late ;)). Additionally, tommorow there will be the carnival of the wee animacules at Aetiology if you're wanting some microbial goodness.

So the short and skinny of it all is that I'm making a new site and organising stuff in "real life" (whatever that is ;)). As I'm rather keen and interested in my new site, I've kind of relegated this one a wee bit while I work on there. If you want to know what I'm doing in the mean-time, I will be posting every so often over at Limed for the Truth. Oh and yes indeed Mr. Swift, I did take a bit of time to play some videogames ;) Gotta get them before I start my PhD and subsequently won't have the time to play them :D

Still alive

Just a post to let you guys know that I'm still alive and trying to figure out what I'm wanting to do with the site. Unfortunately, with my graduation ceremony coming up in only a couple of days I've been a little busy handling that at the moment. I should probably have decided to attend the graduation ceremony back in december last year, but that would require the prompt return of the various paperwork involved. Unfortunately, while relocating to another part of the country it turns out that's not something that was particularly possible to do.

Normal blogging will resume eventually, but I've given up trying to make predictions on when exactly that is going to happen. :)

Oh blog memes

This one I noticed from Orac, PZ Myers and Grrlscientist was fairly amusing:

Your Theme Song is Born to Be Wild by Steppenwolf

"I like smoke and lightning Heavy metal thunder Racin' with the wind And the feelin' that I'm under" A total independent spirit, you can't be held down or fenced in. You crave the feeling of wind on your face... and totally freedom.

What's Your Theme Song?

At least it isn't Hit Me Baby One More time or something. That would be just sneaky.

iNoodle

May our music be touched and protected by his Noodly Appendage.

One judge with a sense of humour

The British Judge that threw out the plagiarism case against Dan Brown and the Da Vinci Code has had a bit of fun with his decision. As it turns out, he's inserted various italicised letters into the overall text and codebreakers are trying to figure out what message he left. Which it seems some clever chap managed to do (see the linked article). I was hoping for something on how silly the whole case was to begin with, but the judge was just having a bit of fun it would appear.

At least he has a sense of humour.

The 33rd skeptics circle

The next edition of the skeptics circle has been posted at Science and Politics and contains the usual skeptical goodness for digestion. I recall that Orac is still looking for future hosts and so it might be worth paying him a visit if you'd be interested in doing that.

Site redesign

I finished Dragon Quest VIII and so that means things will be getting back to normal around here pretty shortly. First up I'm hoping to get some ideas for redesigning the site. As you can see, this blog isn't overly different in look to pretty much every other blog on blogger. It looks a little bland as a result to me and it always somewhat miffs me that it looks like every other blog. I've done a bit of 'personalisation' on the site every so often, like adding the little antibody under the title (that's what the Y shaped globular thing is if you've ever wondered). Overall however, it's still pretty much the same as it was when I first started it.

Now I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the good old blogger.com template. It's perfectly functional and my numerous experiments with it have allowed me to figure out quite a bit of HTML. The guy who made the thing originally certainly did a very good job, but it's just not mine if you can appreciate what I'm getting at. So I intend to 'personalise' the site over the next couple of weeks. What this means is all sorts of random errors and general chaos. I don't expect most of the things I try and do to work the first time (if at all), so if the blog explodes or something then just assume I've done something horrible to it.

The other thing I'm trying to figure out is my RSS feed. Apparently it's not working, or working some of the time or it just doesn't behave in any sensible manner. To be honest I'm still rather clueless as to what I've done to it and am working to correct the problem. With luck the site redesign will allow me to figure out what exactly I did to it.

Finally, if you're looking for some reading to do and haven't seen the latest carnival of the wee animacules, then that was posted recently at the Biotech Weblog. It was fairly small last week though so we need a few more people making submissions. Or alternatively, a couple of regular submitters not playing computer games :p

Oh dear

I had absolutely no idea that Dragon Quest VIII would be able to capture my attention so thoroughly since I bought it a week ago. I'm nearly finished with the game now, it's probably one of the longest games of its type I've ever played and so things will hopefully return to normal by monday. Well hopefully anyway, depends on how quickly I get through the last couple of dungeons :D

In future I think I shall remind myself to never buy a new RPG when I intend to do a large amount of blogging. It's usually not a very good idea for my overall productivity :p In any event, while I was effectively taken out by the charming nature of Dragon Quest VIII, I did get time to read an excellent paper in Nature Immunology by several Pandas Thumb posters. Essentially Andrea Bottaro, Matt Inlay and Nicholas Matzke clearly describe the devastating role that immunology played in the defeat of 'Intelligent design' in the Kitzmiller vs. Dover trial in december last year. Effectively the Nature Immunology paper gives a clear message of thanks to the many hundreds of scientists who actually do research into the evolutionary origins of the immune system (one of my key interests these days). Additionally, to give ID adovcates even more of a headache is this annotated bibliography of the 68 articles presented to Behe at the trial.

Finally, apologies to anyone looking forward to the posts outlined previously, but rest assured I haven't forgotten to do them and I'm certainly not forgetting about the blog. Just a tad distracted tis all ;)

Dragon Quest: Journey of the Cursed King

I've been playing this game for much of today and am absolutely loving it. It simply opitimizes exactly what I like about the Japanese role-playing games and feels very much like old Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) games I used to play. It's a lot harder than most other JapRPGs I've played though, especially as the monsters in regular encounters are much more of a challenge. The art style of the game is also pretty good as well, probably as it was done by the same artist who did Dragonball Z and some of the animations are quite amusing. Overall it's a fun game experience and I think there will be many hours wiled away levelling up my little computerised avatars and smacking around monsters.

Hopefully it won't affect blogging too much ;)

Blog direction

When I first started this blog last year the intent was to argue against certain claims made against the MeNZB vaccination scheme in New Zealand (hence the title and the little quip under it). As it turns out, that particular thing has become rather moot these days and the media, public and everyone else has pretty much moved along. This is probably the result of the fact the vaccination regime has actually worked, which always does a lot to end all various people fussing around.

So the result really is now to establish a more solid direction to what I want to do with the blog. I've become less and less interested in nuts as time has gone on. For example, there are many blogs that are dedicated to the debunking of claims from creationists like the Discovery Institute, general nutters and all sorts of others. While I will definitely continue to add my 2cents on discussions on claims from said groups in my relevant subject areas (Microbiology and immunology), it's unlikely that I'll have a lot to add in other subjects as many other blogs cover the area (quakery debunking) quite well. For example, see this post by Ian Musgrave from the Pandas thumb on the hillariously ineffective response of the DI to the recent hormone evolution paper in Science, as a good example of what I'm meaning. Many more examples abound on many other blogs I visit regularly like Pharyngula, Respectful Insolence and Dispatches from the Culture Wars.

Where to go on this blog? Well, I'll probably continue to write on subject areas that interest me (or manage to rile me up) more so than plain 'debunking' of various claims, which are usually the same ones as made last month/week/year that never seem to die. As a result, I'll probably blog a lot more about microorganisms, their relationships with us and how we can benefit from microbes. For examples of what I mean, my series on bovine tuberculosis in britain (Part I, Part II, Part III and Part IV), farm animal cannibalism, probiotics (here and here), microbes I find interesting like the plague (Here and here*) and mare reproductive loss syndrome. Additionally, I also hope to write a lot more about the vertebrate immune system and why immunity to microbes has been such a critical factor in our evolution. This will be along the lines of my current posts on MHC (Part I, Part II and Part III, with some updates to come as I've read a lot more since) and I intend to elaborate more on the evolution of Toll-like receptors in future (a very soon future) as well.

Most importantly, I intend to keep more to things that I say I will do. For example, I have not forgot that I was supposed to write more about TLRs, the alternative theories about the black death* and such, it's just I unfortunately haven't managed to get around to doing the reading. In future, I hope to keep more to what I say I will write, so that if you see "post tommorow" that post will turn up 9/10 tommorow. Not uhhh, next week or maybe even a couple of months as the current blogging schedule seems to work with me :p

So what is to come? Well there will be the continuation of the Bovine tb series next week and future posts on the ethics of talking openly about bioterrorism, which is why this series hasn't been continued yet if you've wondered. In fact, I was going to delete the post until it was included in a carnival of the wee animacules, so I decided to keep it up but not continue it. There will be many toll-like receptor posts next week and how zany those scientists who work with Drosophila melanogaster are. For a change, I also intend to write a post about how bacteria help us in our daily lives as opposed to their typical PR of being evil pathogens (among other things). Finally, I hope to go over how plausible a 'doomsday' virus could be and how we could combat it.

So the new direction is really more about writing about and explaining interesting science on evolution and microbiology, which would otherwise go unnoticed to most non-scientists. I'll leave the debunking of creationists (for example) in areas out of my field of expertise to the professionals.

*There is quite a lot of debate on the issue, so I'm taking my time to read everyones opinion andvarious back and forth exchanges in certain journals.

Sobering up Intelligent Design

I'll put a link into this great Pandas Thumb post analysing an essay written by Elliott Sober*, Intelligent Design theory and the supernatural - the "God or Extra-Terrestrials" reply, which takes on the ID argument and establishes how ID inherently can't escape from a supernatural designer.

Abstract: When proponents of Intelligent Design (ID) theory deny that their theory is religious, the minimalistic theory they have in mind (the mini-ID theory) is the claim that the irreducibly complex adaptations found in nature were made by one or more intelligent designers. The denial that this theory is religious rests on the fact that it does not specify the identity of the designer — a supernatural God or a team of extra-terrestrials could have done the work. The present paper attempts to show that this reply underestimates the commitments of the mini-ID Theory. The mini-ID theory, when supplemented with four independently plausible further assumptions, entails the existence of a supernatural intelligent designer. It is further argued that scientific theories, such as the Darwinian theory of evolution, are neutral on the question of whether supernatural designers exist.

I certainly think that Sobers essay is interesting and he makes some new points that I hadn't considered much before. Personally however, I've never thought that the way "ID" is set up now would ever include aliens period. Natural aliens would have methods that we could potentially establish and look for in making life as we knew it. The fact ID research don't try to establish anything about the potential methodology the designer(s) 'used', indicates heavily that their 'designer' is supernatural and as a result doesn't have a detectable methodology.

*You see what I did there? I took the guys name and made a witty pun with it in the title of the post. I'm so awesome!

A poo-filled skeptics circle 32

The next edition of the ever exciting collection of skeptical knowledge has been posted at the Pooflingers anonymous. Lots of entries and a large side story to keep you entertained this week.

Britains Boy Soldiers

I intend to write a little more on this later, but I just watched a documentary on the history channel about underage boys who signed up and served in the British army in World War 1. I highly recommend seeing it as it's an amazing documentary and the subject matter (I found) is really moving.

It's hard to imagine that so many of these underage boys, some as young as a mere 14 years old, would want to sign up and join a brutal pointless war of attrition where nobody really actually won. Out of what, you would have to imagine, would possess someone of that age to want to join into the military? Some sense of patriotism that they would serve their country in a glorious war (that turned into nothing more than a meat grinder)? Worst of all, was that with the high attrition rate on British forces in France, many of them were simply 'coerced' into joining the army and often without their parents knowledge. Possibly the most inhuman aspect of it (to me) was that the British army knew that many of their supposed 'soldiers' were underage and just pretended to ignore the problem.

I knew before that in both World Wars underage boys had served in the military by lying about their age, but I had no idea that so many underage boys served in World War 1 and just how young some of them could get. Well worth viewing this documentary if you can catch it on the history channel or similar in future.

Seguin Gazette-Enterprise articles have been updated!

Remember those articles from the Seguin Gazette-Enterprise that lambasted Dr. Pianka that disappeared? Well guess what, do a search on Dr. Pianka now and have a look at what the results are: they're back!

Update: Actually it appears the articles may not have been altered but instead have just been replaced. The April 2nd article from the Seguin Gazette-Daily does not appear to have survived and these are just other articles. I'm not sure if these have been updated as it appears that the reason for their disappearance has been explained thanks to the investigation undertaken by the Questionable Authority.

He was actually quite surprised to hear that the articles were not available online. Apparently, the company had directed that the transcript and the audio recording from the speech be removed because both were at least partially incomplete. That was apparently misunderstood, with the result being that all of the materials were removed. He has since gotten back in touch with the Gazette-Enterprise, and the articles are now back online.

Now everything makes sense. They were removed originally as the transcripts posted were incomplete at the companies request and now two of the articles (From april 4 and april 5) are back. The april 2nd article is still missing.

Further Update: Now the April 2nd article is back as well. Looks like it was just a mistake.

Jonathan Witt goes to the Quote Mine

I noticed this link to an analysis of the Discovery Institutes (DI) response to the new fossil fish Tiktaalik, which has creationists everywhere running around with chickens with their heads cut off in 'damage control', from the Dispatches from the Culture wars. The DI 'response' is so inane it doesn't deserve linkage, but you can find it at the link to Steve Reulands take-down if you really want to bother reading more DI garbage. I only suggest reading so many DI 'responses' and press releases because the general abuses of logic contained generally inflict cummulative damage if too many are read at once.

Anyway, Steve notices that Jonathan Witt quotes a paleontologist called Henry Gee in responding to the fossil finding. Somewhat unsurprisingly, like most creationist quotations of actual scientists, it seems that Jonathan Witt has hopelessly mangled the meaning of the quote. Additionally, it seems that Henry Gee is a fairly popular target of quote mining, so much so he even has made a public statement on the matter.

More analysis of the DIs farcical posts on Tiktaalik can be found on the Pandas Thumb (here and another post here) and on Ed Braytons blog, Dispatches from the Culture Wars. Also, just so nobody can claim that I've forgot that Answers in Genesis still writes stupid things as well, Lancelet has given a suitable paddling to AiG nonsense on the fossil here and a second post here.

It's link love to takedowns of creationist nonsense tuesday!

Two responses to ID propaganda

Last week, Science published an article by Bridgham et al., (2006) Evolution of hormone-receptor complexity by molecular exploitation. The paper shows how an irreducibly complex interaction between a receptor and its hormone that it binds to can evolve. Naturally, the DI got visibly upset over actual research, published in actual journals, performed in actual labs demolishing their claims they have put out in popular books made for the public. One of their responses, if you can call it that, can be found here and is about as incredulous as you would expect from the DI.

Since that, there have been two very good responses to the nonsense thrown out by the DI response. Firstly, I would point you to this excellent post by Carl Zimmer at the Loom. His commentary is particularly cutting but he makes one particularly brilliant point (emphasis mine):

Is it me, or is it strange that intelligent design advocates are telling biologists that they aren't working hard enough, that they are not getting enough results from their lab work? Remember, this is the same Michael Behe whose sole peer-reviewed paper in the past eight years was a computer model (and a pretty poor one, it turned out). Compare that to the work of Joe Thornton, the principal investigator on the new paper. In the past eight years he's published twenty papers on hormones and their evolution: he's been sequencing hormone receptor genes, working out how they respond to different hormones, determining how they're related to one another, and even resurrecting them after 450 million years of oblivion.

Ouch. I felt that one from all the way over here in New Zealand! Further, another response that is worth noting is from the Pandas Thumb (of course), where Ian Musgrave notes how slippery the definition of IC is. Additionally he also shows how the definition of IC isn't really that well defined to avoid any form of significant falsification.

Yet this “system” is precisely the thing that Behe uses in his exemplar for the Behe and Snoke paper, the binding of DPG to haemoglobin. And Behe has said in testimony to the Dover trial (3) that the Behe and Snoke paper on evolution of binding sites is about irreducible complexity. So if the evolution of the DPG binding site (where you only need two mutations to make a functioning DPG binding site) is an example of IC, then the evolution of the aldosterone binding site is also (note 2). As the BCT paper specifically cites the Behe and Snoke paper, you would expect they would look at the ideas contained in the paper, not “Darwins Black Box”. Behe has had a long history of citing examples of molecular IC. He has even called disulfide bond “irreducibly complex” (2). So his disavowal of an example that directly addresses the Behe and Snoke paper (3) is particularly disingenuous.

Not that Behe has ever thought much of actual scientific research anyway.

Ren and Stimpy creators blog

I noticed from Penny Arcade a link to the blog of one of the guys who did Ren and Stimpy. I thought it was worth a read as I've always been a great fan of the original Ren and Stimpy series. The post I found interesting was the one discussing 'organic' drawing styles. Basically, the post compares the drawing styles of cartoons that use more 'soft' style shapes against the new trend of using geometric shapes to form characters. For example, think of the older cartoons like the looney tunes and Ren and Stimpy, against the way Genndy Tartakovsky uses hard geometric shapes to make characters in Dexters Lab/Samurai Jack and such forth.

Personally, I like both styles but I do admit that the organic style of animation does seem to be going out of fashion a bit.